Sunday, 26 January 2014

MANGOMA TELLS TSVANGIRAI TO GO

MDC deputy treasurer Elton Mangoma has told party leader Morgan Tsvangirai  to step aside to necessitate leadership renewal.

In his position paper titled Restoration of Hope and Confidence: a cause for leadership renewal, delivered to Tsvangirai last week, Mangoma suggested that the former PM leaves office and an interim leadership, under vice-president Thokozani Khupe takes over.“This to me is the most ideal approach that will strengthen the party towards the next elections,” wrote Mangoma, who also suggested that the party constitution be changed to create the position of founding president to accommodate Tsvangirai.

Mangoma yesterday confirmed that he had indeed written a position paper to Tsvangirai and had hand-delivered it to him.“I am not denying; that is a fact. I gave him my advice, what he does with it is up to him. I owed it to him to give him that advice. How he will respond, I will not say.”Mangoma would not explain the contents of his paper saying they were meant for the MDC-T leader.

Asked whether he wanted Tsvangirai to relinquish power, Mangoma said: “If you read it, you will know my position.”In the 1 303 word paper, Mangoma asked Tsvangirai how he would achieve reforms that the party failed to push through while in the inclusive government when he had executive power.Mangoma also queried how the former PM would respond to accusations that he used his time in the inclusive government “for personal aggrandisement, personal wealth accumulation”.“How do you put closure to the issue of women in your life and ensure that these will not continue to erode your and the party’s brand?” asked Mangoma.

Tsvangirai’s relations with his wife, Elizabeth Macheka have been murky. He has had several brief stints with different women including businesswoman, Locardia Karimatsenga Tembo.MDC-T spokesperson, Douglas Mwonzora said the party was not concerned by a few shrill voices calling for Tsvangirai’s resignation as the former PM still commanded a lot of support.He said the MDC-T had over 600 000 card-carrying members and the opinions of one or two were not representative of the generality of the party.“What is on the ground is very clear, he commands a lot of support,” he said. “Morgan Tsvangirai is an enigma. Of course there are people who are hopeful and they are free to do so in a democratic party.”

76 comments:

Mwonzora it is important to listen to the " few shrill voices". Usazoti Chirasha havana kutaura

This mwonzora guy is so confused so much mhani.Tsvangirai is a stumbling block.He is the one who allowed Mugabe to b in power.Mangoma is a real man

Chirungu Simbisai mwanangu. Usade kuchinzwisisa muchishona. Zvataurwa zvinoreva kuti ngaabve pachinzvimbo chehutangamiri chete.

Mwonzora I am also one of the 600000 card carying member who feels that Tsvangirai needs to step down.

And what's your take on Mugabe to step down?

Inga mumusha wedu weMDC munenge mapindwa na pongwe chokwadi. Mvongamubopoto iyi yabva kupi zvekare? Asi isu tinoti dzimweni dzenguwa zvakanaka fani kuti President ataurirwe kuti asiye chigaro. Kweteka kuita zveZanu zvekuti hapana anoti bufu nezvenyaya ye succession. RGM haatenderi nyangwe zviroto chaizvo kuti makurukota ake varote vari president. I hope ana Mangoma have done their homework well, Tsvangirai is a collosal giant mu MDC, asi kana paine paari kushaisha ibasa raana Mangoma kutaurira Tsvangirai izvozvo.

Don't give me any lucture ok? I know what I'm asking about ok?after all I'm not asking you so may you kindly back off please?

As an independant person, to call Tsvangirai to step down is treasonous to MDC. Why I did not say Mdc T is because all those projects to remove Tsvangirai which end up the real MDC given a surname all failed and the remaining one still pose a threat to Zanu pf under leadership of Tsvangirai. And it is a fact that they continue to persecute him even though he doesn't have an position. To Mangoma ship out and start yours and follow the footsteps of the likes of Mutambara and Ncube. To Tsvangirai people are behind you till you rule, and to TRUE MDCs don't be hood winked.

Haisi mvongamupopoto kwete sahwira, hapana arikurwa nemumwe kwete. Kuudzana chokwadi chiripachena senhingirikini. Save vanezvakawanda zvirikuvanetsa zvekuti kunzi varambe vachitungamire kuvaitira hutsinye chaiko nekuti dzimwe nguva pfungwa dzavo dzinowandirwa zvekuti vanombotaura vasati vanyatsofunga.Dai vasina kudzokerana naeriza taiti pamwe zvingaita but pese pavanenge vari vanenge vachitofunga kuti zvandiri pano iye mudzimai arikuitei kwaari. ndozvazvinoita ukaroora mukadzi akangoita wechigarinya garinya so. semunhu wemurume varikuzvishingisa asi chokwadi ndechekuti vari patambo Save, havanyatso rara hope matambudziko hobho.

Mugabe is not mdc! why should you be so obsessed with what mugabe is, has done or has not done when you wish to be the better party that will ecventually take power from him?? This is why time and time again he outwits you, recently you have been beaten again in karoi and mbare by elections. Listen to the voice of reason and let your old garment used by the west puppet leader go who has made more headlines in the last 10 years for the bad reasons as opposed to the good both in the public and private media!

Then what would be the difference between zanu pf and them? In zanu pf Mugabe is zanu pf thats why he cant step down.You sound like a true zanu pf supporter anyway so f u.

What Mugabe does affects every Zimbabwean you moron

At least the people have the right to say it, without fear of an accident, kwete mboko dzeZANU PF like vanaGumbo makwara vanoti zvinozotaurwa if the Presidents wants it to be discussed.

Looool rega tiseke zvedu isu vamwe.

anozororatozomudaidza

Haiwa tsvangirai arikuda kudyiwa next election ndokuti azobvuma kuti vanhu havamude

This advice is not clear on how much support MDC is going to achieve if and only if Tsvangirai resigns and how many supporters MDC is going to lose if Tsvangirai does not resign???.

The advice should be around the action or actions that will result in either an increase or a decrease in support base.???? Any other action or actions that are out of control of MDC are neither here or there in terms of the so called leadership renewal. At least Tsvangirai has experiences of how manupalutative is ZANU PF when it comes to democracy than the new players are likely to be outplayed using OLD tricks. This idea of leadership renewal should take political invironmental factors into consideration rather than just demand for changes in MDC leadership.

FOR NOW, Tsvangirai is the only dude who can make zimbabweans to demand for democracy from zpf for a better Zim in the future because of the brand around his name as a strong defender of democracy locally or internationally.

They say, it is strategic to keep MDC leadership in current state and unstrategic to want and demand for the so called leadership renewal now when the political environment is clear that status quo is highly likely to take Zim back to democracy in the short term.

You really need help with your sentence construction. Hazvina kushata kutaura Shona kana chirungu chichigozha mwana wamai

guys we have to be careful nekubaya kwaSave zinokonzera division iri serious muparty Zanu yofara.

Mongoma tell these ignorant MDC blind supporters the truth!!!!!!!

you wright we should not be worried about the opposition camp when we are dealing with our problems, it only becomes relevant when there is a sellout. whether Mugabe resigns or not MDC should not really be bothered what they should do is to put a formidable candidate with the ability to mobilize people against Zanu Pf. Actually if Mugabe is that old and useless that should work in the favour of those pitted against him.

this marks the defining moment of the MDC and the Zimbabwe Opposition. If this is not properly handled 2018 we will see further dwindling of the opposition presence in parliament and councils, we will then wait for a long time for another generation to come and fight for the emancipation of the people. I support those calling for Tsvangirai to go but this should be done within the confines of the constitution of the organization. the guy is no longer relevant

Tsvangirai has been given Mangomas document which means the document has officially been communicated muMDC. What Tsvangirai should do is call for extra ordinary congress and discuss the leadership issues. Those who are interested they put their names forward and a democratic process begins. Hatidi zvekutyityidzira vanhu tinoda democracy.
Finally I would like to thank Mangoma for voicing his thoughts without fear, we wait to the the party's action. Let see how Mdc is going to handle this issue.
The other thing is if you see a document like this in circulation you should know that it a group of people involved and Mangoma has only agreed to sign the document

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who cares pano tirikureketa nezvaMorgan, why so fast kuita out of topic.

simple question. Whats your take on Mugabe to step down? Usaumburuka mumubvunzo!

tagara tichizviziva chinorwadza ngecheuyo wakauya achiti ane sorushini, kumbe unoda kuwana zita guru rekuti adiwe nezvifebe, nekutora mari yemadonor and enjoying a life of luxury on the high seas in the LEGEND OF THE SEAS with zvifeve zvemuHILLBROW.

We need leadership renewal avakuita exactly what's happening kune rimwe bato where there is no leadership renewal. In the corporate world a leader is given a fixed term to implement their strategies and failure to leads to dismissal, the thinking being that his/her ideas become sterile and cannot move the organisation, most corporates make it 5 years and can be extended to 2 or 3 terms, not zvefirapo zvemuno muZimbabwe where some CEOs got into those positions in 1980 and are still there, manje looks like a disease which is contantegious, lets hope MDC sets terms which can be renewed and challenged openly haikona kuita zvokutya kutaura nezvazvo. Most CEOS muno vanoitwa zvekufayiwa chaiko others they think they are God given. So far Delta have a better leadership renewal, there was Pat Rooney, Joe Mtizwa and now Pearson Govero, Telone had Mutambirwa, Madzimbamuto, Nxele, Mhlanga and now Mrs Chipo Mutasa, Zesa had vana Gata, Chinembiri, Chifamba and Zupco hatitaure etc.

Save hapana kwavari kuenda T ari paMDC munoti anomirira chii? Kanganwai zvenyu bring on 2018 famba Chematama famba........lol

Uri murume uyezve hausi mbwende, thank you. Mangoma is one man I know who joined MDC already loaded with work experience, education and high contacts, wakatopfumisa MDC not the other way round. Kana ari Biti waive wogara kumasurburb, akaburitsa 100 000 yebailout pana Sithole, plus akarwira Magret Dongo saka musavatyira vakomana ava vakatogona.

Mangoma usatya we are all behind you. Mboko idzi hadzitozivi zviri kuitika, paground tiripo, let the fight begin, handitivanokuseka kuti nzenze, nekuti wakaremara gumbo, show them you don't take prisoners, I can give you 600 000 members in one month.

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Kasi uri diaspora, tisu anamafana vakashandira munhu uyu aane zita guru raanoshandisa kuhura,he has failed to honour us, nekutipawo mari dzaanopa zvimahure zvake, tikawana munhu anotida why not tipeyi mapadza tinorima.

ki..ki...ki...ki...ki....ki wakangwara watibata... ehe ndokufungazve uku kwete kungotituka kwatiri kuitwa toswera tiri padefensive driving.

Who cares about a stubborn old man about to kick the bucket and an equally dumb family that wont let him step down when his date of retirement has expired. He will expire soon I hope and then MDCT will realise zvatozowomesesa because Bob is more dangerous dead than alive.

Rose wakawoma mwoyo asi tichawona kunorwira tsvimbo nedohwe.

Tsvangirai gave Mugabe the gift of the GNU, allowing the old fart to regroup and consolidate power, but i guess you are too daft to make that simple deduction ......

Your mentality is exactly the same is that of ZANU PF, hapana kana difference

Ndiri kungotaura zvaitaurwa nevanhu vepano pavainditukirira. Vanhu vacho vane hanganwa pataitaura ana Rose kuti Save ngavaende tainzi tine jerasi rekurambwa -hezvo vakudeedzerawo. Manje ngava kanganwe Save hapana kwavari kuenda......lol

But don't you think kuti as long iye Morgan does not take heed and does a Handiende the end result is the same ? - no leadership renewal

I would not even call it failure on Tsvangirayi's part - he has done his part and this relay needs another leader to take the next step. But it is worrying because it seems he feels entitled to the MDC Presidency, much like Mugabe thinks he is entitled to be Zim President.

Tsvangirai dzimweni dzenguva anofunga sa Tea Boy chaiye. Kuswerodhonzana ne masanzu ane mashizha awo, ndinorewaka iye Risabete off layer yekwaMacheka.

Hanzi Tsvangirai is an enigma kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk ini pasi dhiii nekuseka zvangu. This Mangona is a shameless bootlicker.

Me like English, write i want to so if like don't read why comment me???

Elton Mangoma, Tendai Biti, Thokozani Khupe, Elias Mudzuri should join Welshman Ncube's bankrupt MDC-N. These power hungry morons are getting advice from the sinking Welshman Ncube

I read yesterday Tsvangirai called for an early congress and no one seconded his call which then culminated in the confirmation of the congress being slotted for 2016. Had Mangoma's letter been delivered to M.T. before or after the resolution? If it had been before, why didn't Mangoma second M.Ts call for an early congress?

Mwana wepfambi tibvire apa

Mwonzora is the one who said Morgan is an enigma, not Mangoma. Mangoma is the one who is saying, on behalf of many of us, Tsvangirai you have overstayed your welcome. Party haisi yaTsvangirai but he acts like he owns MDC. Asiyaneyi naMugabe who feels he owns ZANU?

If Tsvangirai obly has around 600,000 card holdres that shws his support is very cold. He would never win an election if ALL the 600,000 voted. Mwonzora does not realize 600,000 is a very small populations compared to the millions who are eligible to vote.

Mugabe was right, this is the end of MDC, I really dont understand this. If Mangoma was genuine about this, how did it end up in the media?

Duzvi remunhu - ndosaka wakabuda nekumhata kwaamai vako

MDC is bigger than Tsvangirayi - remove Tsvangirai today and MDC will still be the biggest threat to ZANU PF power.

Let's say Tsvangirai stays on as MDC President - what new strategy is he gonna table that will see ZANU PF losing the 2018 elections ? Anyone ?

Kikkkk vaudze vana vasingazive avo.

What are you failing to say?

Who is Mangoma in this Working People's Project?It would have made sense if this short man was saying the top six should resign. Not to target one person. This is purely a ZANU agenda being brewed from within ,because ZANU on its own have failed to destroy Tsvangirai . Call for a congress and suffer the humiliation. Infact those paddling the ZANU agenda will be history come 2016!

Rameck unenjere umwe wangu, pahuwandu hwevazhinji uri pamberi.People should learn that in Africa we are still supporting an individual and not the party. People vote for MDC because of Tsvangirai and not the principles it stand for. The same is with Zanu, its supporters love Mugabe and not the principles of Zanu. The same is true with ANC when it was in the trenches, people where calling for Mandela even though few knew him. Lets we not forget Zanu always come up with projects, it may be one of them.In 2004-2005, Zanu came up with the PROJECT SENATE which split our beloved party with help of fundis in the name of Mutambara and Ncube, but the BRAND TSVANGIRAI prevailed in the 2008 elections.MDC is a young movement, why should people call for leadership renewal in Zanu where corruption, nepotism, fraud and murder is evident and tossing its ugly head

To all right thinking Zimbabweans who seriously want ZANU PF and Mugabe to go, the first step is to have a radical opposition that takes no nonsense from Mugabe and ZANU PF, an opposition that will put in place strategies to deal with ZANU PF rigging, with ZANU PF impunity - and that takes visionary leadership. Tsvangirayi is NOT that leader, he is more concerned with personal luxury and an opulent lifestyle than to bring REAL CHANGE to Zimbabwe. The irony is that had he focussed on the real issues and been strategic,ZANU would be history by now and he could have enjoyed a life of luxury until he was 100. He compromised with the mafia too soon, was enjoying the good life too much and lost focus. We need clean water, we need electricity, the infrastructure needs revamping, we need American, British , German, Japanese etc investors, we need our people abroad to come back home and invest ........all of this will not happen while ZANU PF is in power, and Tsvangirai is clearly not radical enough to remove ZANU PF.

Yeah kuma twenty-five years ikoko maybe

Out of topic comrade

vaMugabe has the oomph and gravitus to carry on the task he is mandated to do by the nation

True high life ndooyake Yatch treatment for the flavour of the moment

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